socialized healthcare FAQ 3/4

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23 Comments

  • Frettsy says:

    haha, okay. at least we agree on the “I have nothing more to say to you” part. good luck with the statism thing.

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    I thought when I started these comments, given that you went through question by question that you might be a logical, rational person it is clear however after engaging you, that you aren’t. You have no idea about the things you’re talking about. You’re stuck in a fantasy world full of ideals which you haven’t seen tested because you clearly haven’t opened a book or experienced life outside your secure little world. You’re blind to reality and that’s ok, but I have nothing more to say to you

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    Actually I have plenty of examples. The United States of America is absolutely littered with examples, as is much of the third world. There is a reason no other country on the planet goes to such extremes of capitalism as the United States of America does. But there is no point in me listing examples when you’re clearly to foolish to understand them or the free market.

  • Frettsy says:

    and when you get a chance, watch?v=CnAUc62G-UE

  • Frettsy says:

    hahaha. you have no examples, only rhetoric. you are a weak, dependent statist, and I’ve seen your kind a thousand times. get out of my comments.

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    All I can say is I, like most of humanity is extremely glad your ignorant mind isn’t in charge of any country. If you honestly can’t see all the hardship and suffering private enterprise and purist capitalism has caused then you are surely a blind, ignorant flood, whom I have nothing more to say to. I’m all for rational debates, but you honestly have no clue nor morality.

  • Frettsy says:

    yes, I honestly believe that. why is my water supply any different than my gas company or my electric company or the water I buy in a store? half the things you mentioned are already private enterprise and work better than if they were public. pure capitalism “causes nothing but hardship and suffering”? how do you figure?

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    So you honestly believe that private enterprise should be in charge of your water supply? I’m sorry but in the history of humanity pure capitalism like you’re taking to has caused nothing but hardship and suffering. There are things which should always remain public property and always be administered by a democratically elected government. Water, roads, public transport, waste management, emergency services and HOSPITALS are the main things which should be dealt with as such.

  • Frettsy says:

    I disagree with the premise. I’m a libertarian minarchist, if you’re not familiar with the ideology that means I don’t think the State should have a hand in any of the things you mentioned, either, except *maybe* law enforcement. but private enterprise would handle all these things much more efficiently.

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    Here is a better way of looking at it. Who do you pay money to, to keep your roads in working condition? Who do you pay money to, to keep water in your tap? Or to collect your garbage? Who do you pay money to, to enforce your laws or put out fires?

    A: The government, through taxes. Why should it be different for healthcare?

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    Wow, you truly have your blinded on to the state of the US. I don’t live in the US, I live in Australia, a country that DOES have a socialised health care system with a commercialised option.

    This church and charity you’re talking about simply don’t exist in health care and beyond that there is a large demand. This is why your president is proposing these changes. I think you need to take off your rose tinted glasses there champ and go look around your country. Try sitting in an ER

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    Social health care is not forcing doctors to do anything. It’s about a community paying a small amount of money each in order for everyone to have free open access to health care.

    What is proposed in the US is NOT even going that far. No doctor, nor hospital will be out of pocket or forced to do something they don’t want to. It’s merely about sharing the cost of health care across the community.

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    Again, clearly you don’t get how international law works. The united states has signed and ratified the treaty on the UNHDR. Ratified means it was made local law inside your own country. The way the UN is structured as well, your local (country) constitution CAN be over ruled.

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    Oh now I get it, you don’t actually understand the law. When you sign with a health insurance provider you actually make an agreement that they’re allowed to behave in that manner. That is how insurance companies stay in business and a court CAN NOT help you as you’ve agreed to it.

  • Frettsy says:

    in summation, your implication that, because I don’t support socialized healthcare, that I’m some kind of animal, is pathetic. if you wish for the State to use force against you to take your money and give it to others, move to a country that does so (moreso than ours now). I on the other hand choose a system where I am not a slave to you or any other man.

  • Frettsy says:

    your last point is more of the poorly thought out liberal emotionalism we’ve all come to love, but allow me to address it for the 100th time anyways. if you weren’t already aware, we already have a “partially socialised healthcare system”. in fact more than partially – very much so. money never has and never will be more important to me than human suffering or human life. my LIBERTY, though, is. there are proper channels through which ANYONE can get Church or charity ALREADY.

  • Frettsy says:

    #3: they don’t take an oath to do it for free, or for charity. and in that scenario, they do it out of free will, not out of force.

  • Frettsy says:

    #2: NOTHING overrules our Constitution. anything we “agree” to, which the Constitution conflicts with, the Constitution wins.

  • Frettsy says:

    #1: that is exactly my point about the courts. if the contract is not being enforced it is the COURTS that must be held liable, just like in any other industry or walk of life.

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    Now here is a question for you at what point to YOU PERSONALLY did money become MORE IMPORTANT than human suffering &/or human life? Because by NOT supporting at least a partially socialised healthcare system where everyone is entitled to healthcare because you argue it’s property and about money you’re literally saying, that money is more important than human life. Go look into a dying childs eyes and tell them they can’t get better because their parents don’t have the right health insurance!

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    In addition, there is nothing in your constitution that talks about socialised healthcare one way or another. Healthcare is NOT property! If you have 2 people left alive, one being a doctor, YES they have a very strong moral obligation to help the other person should they become ill. In fact doctors take an oathe stating just that!

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    In response to your second point of order, I’d like to draw your attention to the fact that United States is amoung other nations whom have signed and ratified the UNHDR which DOES include the right for every member of a community to have healthcare. In orderwords it’s actually already part of your international legal obligations and over rules your constitution.

  • tjandsarahdotcom says:

    In response to your first point of order, if someone is to cancel a health insurance contract then what are they meant to do for healthcare? My understanding is that health insurance premiums in the US are extremely high and they’re able to refuse to pay for things which you’re actually meant to be covered for. In order words you pay a company money and they can chose to not fulfill their obligation when it comes time. How is that sensible?

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