Is Socialized Medicine a Bad Thing?
Let’s not get hung up over ideology, which gets in the way of rational thinking. The important thing is to receive the maximum benefit from our efforts, avoid human suffering, and promote human happiness. I think we can learn a great deal from countries such as Norway. Instead of condemning them as “welfare states,” maybe we should look at measures such as infant mortality rates and average lifespans. … health care medical insurance hmo norwegian norway socialized medicine socialism …
How well would that Norwegian system work if Norway had 300 million people like America instead of it’s 4 million?
This would never happen in America.
1) The right-wing fringe groups love private corporations and hate welfare.
2) Despite what right-wing lunatics say, Obama isn’t really a socialist.
3) We have McDonalds on almost every single corner of the street. Gee I wonder why we’re the fattest country on Earth?!
@UDSS Agree.
and it seems like the norwegian populations growing irritation over criminal immigrants is giving the extreme right party more and more votes:(
Kill the 3000 page Mandate Trojan Horse Health Care Bill;;
Nobody Wants It..
Okay. . . good to know you know the difference between socialism and communism! BTW completely different kinds of economy. Oh yes and thank you for sharing that you aced your social studies class!
Yet most of them go to the FED’s bankers, not for other people.
Norway is indeed better than America. But even that nation is slowly falling to neoliberalism and global capitalism.
The welfare state of Norway is slowly demolished by the same people who build it. The social democrats and reformist socialists are destroying their own ideals. Right wing liberals only needs to relax and watch how social democrats carrying out liberal capitalist programs.
Norway is not perfect.
Ohh I miss the years when Canada had that honour.
Norway deserves it. I was in Oslo in July and loved it. I spoke to many people about government and social policies in Norway, and I think many aspects of Norwegian society should be implemented here in Canada. Norway understands democracy better than any country in the world in my opinion; it truly is a government by the people for the people.
Skål from Canada!
yes they have very high tax, but they have everything they need
Gore Vidal – US tax – “It all goes for war and has done for fifty years”. “If the people knew the extent to which they were getting screwed.” …. + _lots_ of detail – See interview with Patt Morrisson 1995 – ?v=L54H8HUNZZs
England tax system used to be in the ninety percentile for the very rich. Something I’d like to see in this country. But, dream on. There will always be an Oligarchy in America. A shadow government who will shoot down any tax system which comes close to being fair.
UN just conclude that Norway is the best country to live in. USA sucks
1500 dollar ?
I loose 2500 dollar each month from taxes and im from Norway.
free health care, free quality university, cheap transport, etc etc. Man, it is a dream. If you go to Norway, no problem if you broke your wrist (can you say the same in your beloved US?).
All you deserve in America is life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness. The free school is an add on. We all pay taxes but if socialized medicine is added to it is gonna be much higher. I know a pilot who loses 1500 dollars a month from taxes.
All I have to say is that the Norwegian tax rate is 37% which is the average the highest tax rate is almost 50% which ii think is high
Ah! The Norwegian Dream….
But it is still very possible to get very rich here, the richets guy in Norway votes for the labour party;D For us we are not surrendering our liberty, we are giving liberty. But i totally understand what you mean, liberty just means something else to me.
Yes. This is where we disagree. Ive seen so many people suffer because of actions that where not their own, or out of their control. I want all my citizens to have a decent life standard and i gladly pay taxes towards it. Also i know i get back from it by free school, hospitals etc. And i like the fact that it evens out classes a bit.
Of course I don’t mean that nor did I assert that 0% taxes are ideal. I was simply arguing against the nonsensical point made by the last person in which I was speaking.
That is where you and I fundamentally disagree. I feel that people should be responsible for their own actions and live w/ the choices that they make. I believe that is what is lacking in the USA presently.
I am not willing to surrender the liberty in which i currently possess in order to obtain a larger safety net.
In addition to my last comment: Thats what liberty means for us.
There is no point for me to try and change what liberty means for you. But i can only point out how it has worked out so far. Financial crisis. Obama has pointed it out too.
In addition to the post bellow.
A society where everybody has work. And everybody have a minimun standard of life. Because people who have this, are less lightly to commit crime. But we still encourage success people. You can get rich in Norway, you can earn lots of money in a well payed job, but the differences are just a bit smaller. So you can still have a very decent sallary working for the government.
No. Just like i dont think you mean 0% taxes are right? In Norway, we support individual liberty. The liberty to try, and fail. The liberty for ever individual to have a minimun of rights and a minimum of life quality so they can endulge in other activites and explore other things. Not working 18 hours a day on minimum vage.
We dont support liberty in the way that people are totally up to their own. I like paying what i do in tax. Cause it makes for a better, nicer and safer society.
In an egalitarian system you are right Brunostpizza. But a few (progressive) people recognize that the corporate tax take is nearly zero, whereas personal income tax is most of the tax revenue. Which benefits the rich disproportionately.
In such an unjust system, how should people react? Pay more. Or try to deny the junky his fix?
Naturally, he GOP – ‘not a political party; rich people who want to pay NO tax’ – Gore Vidal – know this intimately and fight like hell to keep it going.
Brunost på pizza?
Godt?